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Sergeant Stone tells an amazing story about the
history of UFO’s and extraterrestrials dating back to the early 40’s and
probably before. General Douglas MacArthur organized a group called the
Interplanetary Phenomena Research Unit back in 1943 to study this issue and it
continues to this day. Their purpose is to recover objects of unknown origin
particularly those that are of non-Earthly origin.
They obtain field intelligence
information and pass it on to those who are the “keepers of this information.” Stone
says that even Project Bluebook had an elite investigation unit, which was outside
of Bluebook. This unit was thought to be working in conjunction with Bluebook but in
fact was not. Stone has seen living and dead extraterrestria....ls in his official
duties on an army team that retrieved crashed ET crafts. He thinks that the
extraterrestrials will not permit us to explore the depths of outer space until
we’ve learned to grow spiritually and that they will make themselves known soon if
we don’t first acknowledge their presence. On February 26th, 1942, commonly called
the Battle of Los Angeles, we find that there are some 15 to 20 unidentified craft
flying over Los Angeles. We immediately responded by trying to shoot these objects
down. The 37th Coastal Artillery Group expended 1,430 rounds. We immediately set out
to try to find out if there was some hidden base belonging to the Axis from where
these planes could come, some commercial airport that they could have had these
aircraft housed. None of this bore out. Every search effort we made turned out to be
At the same time in the Pacific they were experiencing the same
phenomena, the so-called Foo Fighters. General MacArthur directed his intelligence
people to find out what was going on. I have reason to believe that in 1943
MacArthur found out that in fact we had things not of this Earth and visitors from
some other planet visiting our planet that was actually observing that world event
we call the Second World War. One of the problems that he had was that, should this
be the case, and should they prove to be hostile, we knew very little about them and
we had very little means to defend ourselves.
MacArthur organized what was
called the Interplanetary Phenomena Research Unit. [See the testimony of Buck
Sergeant Leonard Pretko regarding MacArthur’s involvement in the ET issue and his
knowledge of the retrieved spacecraft and ET’s from the New Mexico Crash. SG]
It would later be taken over by General Marshall. And it continued all the
way through to present day. Names have been changed and records still haven’t
surfaced. The Army tries to state that it was not an official organization effort to
try to investigate UFO’s. But it was organized by a General, it bore a fruit, it
came to conclusions that were not popular, i.e., interplanetary spacecraft. And they
continued to do exactly what they do today and that is to be part of a multi
-....intelligence operation in the recovery of objects of unknown origin
particularly those that are of non-Earthly origin. Their purpose is to assess that
information, get raw field intelligence data, and process that data into some type
of useful intelligence product to disseminate to the field- to those people who have
a need to know and those people that are, shall we say, the keepers of that
One of MacArthur’s Air Force generals, an Army Air Corps
General at the time, came back to MacArthur and told MacArthur “what we have is
something not of this Earth”. I would suggest that by this time even the Germans had
uncovered evidence that we were being visited and had some type of physical
evidence. MacArthur definitely had physical evidence. From the documentation I saw
[while working this issue in the Army], I was not able to ascertain exactly what
that physical evidence consisted of but it was there.
The one thing I find
quite unique is that the Germans may have tried to back-engineer one of these
objects. We definitely tried to back-engineer it. But we find that your technology
has to be on par with the acquired technology in order to back-engineer it…
In the 1950’s, the United States Air Force had an elite unit to
investigate UFO’s outside of Bluebook. Even though Bluebook felt that this unit was
working with them, they were not. This unit was initially organized as a 4602nd Air
Intelligence Service Squadron. Among its peacetime missions was operation Blue Fly.
Operation Blue Fly was to recover objects of unknown origin that fell to Earth. It
is very important that you remember these were specifically objects that fell to
Earth- because we didn’t have any spacecraft up there at this time. As a result of
this, they had monitors right there at Wright Patterson that when UFO reports came
in they were looked at very closely to see if there was any possible necessity of
sending out teams to recover any of this fallen debris.
The Air Force
states they never used them. I’m telling you I know they did. But the intent of the
Operation Blue Fly peacetime project was to go out and recover objects of unknown
origin that impacted with the Earth. Later it would be expanded in 1957 to cover all
objects of unknown origin meaning spacecraft too. And it would become part of what
they would call in the October of 1957 timeframe, Project Moon Dust.
Project Moon Dust is the overall field exploitation to recover only two
items: First, objects of non-U.S. origin that survives re-entry into the Earth’s
atmosphere and impacts with the Earth and objects. Naturally, we would be interested
in those items from a technical, scientific intelligence basis to determine, or try
to ascertain the technical capabilities of any potential enemy since our known enemy
of the U.S., the USSR at that time that was launching space vehicles into space.
The other area of interest was objects of unknown origin. Now we find that
there were quite a few objects of unknown origin that did not correlate with any
known space launches, impact times, or any known space debris falling back to Earth.
In short, under [Project] Moon Dust and under Blue Fly, we have recovered
alien debris not of this Earth.
The degree of classification that we have
now has changed over the years. Back during the time of the Second World War all the
way up to, say 1969, you may have had as many as 11 classifications..... Now there
are three: confidential, secret and top-secret. However, if you have information
that is highly sensitive that requires protection above and beyond the norm of what
is provided for those classifications...., that’s when you have the Special Access
Programs. You do not get that type of information out into public domain unless it
is officially sanctioned.
During the discussion of UFO’s, the question
ultimately is going to come up can any government keep secrets let alone the U.S.
Government? And the answer to that is unequivocally yes. But one of the greatest
weapons the intelligence community has at their disposal is a predisposition by the
American people, the American politicians, and the debunkers- people who wish to try
to debunk UFO information. They immediately come out and say oh we can’t keep
secrets, we can’t keep secrets. Well, the truth is, yes we can.
National Recognizance Office remained secret for many, many years. The mere
existence of the NSA remained secret. The development of the atomic weapon remained
secret until once you exploded one you eventually had to tell some people what was
And we are conditioned by our own paradigms not to accept the
possibility or probability of a highly advanced intelligent civilization coming here
to visit us. You have evidence in the form of highly credible reports of objects
being seen, of the entities inside these objects being seen. Yet, we look for a
prosaic explanation and we throw out the bits and pieces of the evidence that
doesn’t meet our paradigm. So it is a self-keeping secret. You can conceal it in
plain sight. It is political suicide to go and start hitting up intelligence
agencies to get this information released. So most of your members of Congress, and
I know I’ve worked with a lot of them along that line, will balk and try not to do
it. I can name you three members of Congress that were point blank asked to have a
congressional inquiry on what happened here at Roswell.
One of the most
ridiculous statements that I got was that a person would have to be a chairperson to
do that. So I asked a senator from Mississippi if he’d do it and without any
hesitation, he said no. I said, would you give me that in writing? I got that in
writing but I’m hesitant to release it. I will show it to you but I’m hesitant to
release it simply because I made a promise not to.
We have got to get the
documentation as it exists in the Government files. We have got to get it released
before it ultimately is destroyed. A good example is the Blue Fly and Moon Dust
files. I had classified documents the Air Force acknowledged. When I got members of
Congress to help me open up more files they were immediately destroyed and I can
Somewhere along the line they may see that material and
realize there is some very highly sensitive information that would have a damning
effect upon the national security of United States should it become compromised. It
needs to be further protected to insure that there is only a limited access to that
information to a small number of people. So small you can put them on a list of
paper, on a piece of paper, and list them by name. Thus you have the Special Access
Programs. The controls that were supposed to be put on the Special Access Programs
are not there. When Congress did their review of the way we protect documents and
the way we go ahead and implement our secrecy programs they found that you had
Special Access Programs within Special Access Programs -- that it was essentially
impossible to keep control of them all by Congress. And I’m telling you right now;
it is essentially impossible to keep control of them all.
When it comes to
UFO’s the same criteria applies. Therefore, only a small nucleus within the
intelligence community numbering less than a hundred -- no, I’d suggest less than 50
-- control all that information. It is not subject to congressional review or
oversight at all. So Congress needs to go ahead and ask the hard questions and
convene a hearing.
There would be quite a few missions to describe but
simply put, yes, I was involved in those types of operations to retrieve crashed ET
objects. A lot of people think that you are just in your unit waiting in the
rafters, just waiting for the next UFO crash, a landing where there is going to be
debris. It doesn’t work that way. You have a real life. You have a real job in the
military. However, if you are in an area where an event takes place and you are one
of these people that they can go ahead and call upon in your field of expertise,
then you are called in.
Now, in order to prepare me for this, very early
on in my career they sent me to NBC School at Fort McCullen [sp], Alabama. It’s a
three-week school. It’s for NBC personnel, NBC meaning Nuclear, Biological, and
Chemical. And it would always be in the context of an NBC unit that I would be
involved in UFO retrievals. You would go ahead and deploy as though it was a nuclear
accident. There are procedures already established on nuclear or biological or
chemical accidents. So you would proceed in that way. If you could get in there and
do recoveries, if you could go in and extract the debris that are there quietly
behind the scenes and no one knows, you’d do it. If you needed an officially
sanctioned deception program to come into play, such as a bogus news release, you
could do this also.
For example, if you have an airplane accident we have
standard procedures on how we handle that. Those same procedures are utilized when
you do a recovery or extraction of a crashed ET spacecraft or debris thereof. And I
have to stress debris simply because these are highly advanced technical machines.
There were not that many crashes. They are flawed because they are made by an
intelligence that is as mortal as you or me. Being mortal, we are subject to error.
Now, we are talking about a highly intelligent civilization, not a highly
incompetent civilization. We take steps and they take steps. But at the same time,
when you go out, you make a recovery. And when you make that recovery, you handle it
the same way you would as if you were out there on an airplane accident or you have
a hazardous material type situation, because it works. It is all set up. The only
problem you have is that you have people out there that are very quickly going to
realize that this is not something of this planet. To be sure, with the Blue Fly
recoveries [ET craft], you do what is called an on-site analysis.
short, you have experts out there who know what missiles are, who know what aircraft
are. They are looking at this material. They are telling you what it isn’t. This
leaves you to only one possible conclusion, something that did not originate on the
face of this planet. That was the intent of the Blue Fly teams. It was very critical
to do an immediate on-site analysis. Now, the way you package the material if it is
just debris is handled the same way you would if it was hazardous material. You took
precautions. If you had a whole craft, you took very serious precautions because
while I still state the ET’s are not hostile, you still could cause some serious
accidents, which would result in death. I’m not going to get into how it was with
the family when I had to leave on these operations because you get a little
emotional because you think about what could happen…
Of course, you try to
conceal the material, particularly if you have a large craft and it is disc shaped
or say, wedge shape -- which is a very good shape that we get from time to time. And
you take precautions particularly if you have to go ahead and put it on a truck to
bring it in. If you have to put it on a truck to take it to a safe haven area, we
track that truck. The truck has an 800 number so if there is a breakdown they can
secure the vehicle and stay with it. But they have a number they can call and
immediately get assistance out there to move that vehicle to a safe haven area. And
there are procedures outlined in this. As a matter of fact, you have a shipping
document· And that shipping document has the number right on it to call. So
you use a code word -- I’ll give you one that we used all the time: Tabasco.
In the case of an ET craft, you are going to get a specialized team out
there that knows what to do should there be a biological component. One of the big
concerns we had was biological due to contamination as a result of this being truly
of alien origin.
I am prepared to state that I have been at locations
where craft of unknown origin that did not originate on the face of this planet were
there. I am prepared to state that while I was there, we saw living and dead bodies
of entities that were not born on this planet. I am prepared to state that we had
what they referred to as “interfacing” with those entities. I am prepared to state
that they have a school to try to indoctrinate people. I never went to that school.
I always refused. I am prepared to state that when I got out of the service in 1990,
that they held me for two months so that I might better reconsider to stay in and
not get out. I am prepared to state that I had orders that stated that I was
supposed to get out on December 1st of 1989, and that they revoked those orders.
Once again, in violation of law they held me for two months pending approval of my
retirement, which had already been approved. The purpose of that was to try to
convince me to stay in.
We have contact with aliens not originating from
some foreign country but from some other solar system. And I have been a party to
that. I’ve worked it. I’ve been there. And I know some of the things we do is
really, really, really, really terrible. They are not hostile toward us. We are the
enemy in this instance -- but we are the enemy, I like to think, for the good
reasons. We are concerned about what some other country might do. I have concluded
that I am fighting against the clock. That I have but a short time to try to
convince people that we are moving down an avenue where we are going to militarize
space. Once we militarize space we will have a whole new avenue of technology open
up to us.
NASA says it is going to take another 1,400 years before we
achieve what we call interstellar travel. I’m telling you by the end of this century
we will be doing that. If we do nothing to grow spiritually -- and this is a hard
thing for me to state -- but if we do nothing to grow spiritually we will not
achieve interstellar travel. They will stop us. What’s worse they will make
themselves known to an unsuspecting people on this planet.
We want to
acquire this technology. We want to make this technology part of our own technology.
Within the next 25 years we are going to militarize space. As a result of
militarizing space, we are going to acquire new technologies and we are going to
evolve new technology that is going to lead us into interstellar travel. As a direct
result, we will become a threat to them unless we spiritually grow also. But I feel
that if we do not grow spiritually we are forcing the situation where the entities
will eventually make themselves known. And they will make themselves known. And no
power on Earth can stop that from happening. The ET’s will do this in order to stop
us from going out into space as a threat. If this should happen, it will happen to
an unsuspecting world population and that can create some very serious problems.
[See the testimony of Dr. Carol Rosin regarding Wernher Von Braun’s
concern over our weaponizing space. SG]
But this doesn’t deal just with
the United States. It is a truth that the entire world has to be informed about. And
that truth is that man is not alone, that we have people from other planets, from
other solar systems coming here.
I believe that the intelligence community
had good intentions when they classified information dealing with UFO’s. I believe
that they asked some very serious and hard questions: What impact would it have if
the peoples of the world knew that they were no longer alone in the universe, that
they had intelligence that was visiting this planet? And I think that the intentions
were good there. As intelligence agencies among nations, naturally you want to go
ahead and acquire the technology for military application. So you want to try to
keep some of that knowledge as confidential as possible by classifying it as high as
you possibly can- keeping the information open to only a small handful of people
thus, Special Access Programs. However, I believe that while it was full of good
intentions in keeping this information classified, it is [now] hurting people.
I do not believe that any government has the right to try to make
individuals who merely see UFO’s look crazy. I do not believe that any government
has a right knowing that the psychology of specific individuals may ultimately lead
to a tremendous amount of mental depression, ultimately, leading in many, many cases
to suicide or self destruction. When we see these types of things coming about, we
have an obligation to reconsider our thoughts and positions. I would suggest [that]
we need to break down the walls of secrecy, that we must be responsible in getting
the truth out. We must be responsible in how we get that truth out. And we must be
And it is not a scary story. You will learn that the ET’s have a
perception of God. You find they have families. You find they have cultures. You
find that they have likes and dislikes. You look for those things that are similar
among us, not the differences. And that is the way you start on the path to truth.
The problem that we have right now is that we look at them as something to talk
about; something to marvel at and be amazed at.
Well, back to my own
story, we had just finished the training that I took to be an NBC NCO. And a friend
of mine brought me back to Fort Lee, Virginia. He was going to Fort Meade, Maryland
and says, come on, I’ll give you a ride to your base. And we discussed UFO’s on the
way to Fort Lee.
Several weeks after I got back to Fort Lee, I got a call
from this person and I was going to visit him at Ft. Meade. When I got to Fort Meade
where he was supposed to be, they said, well, he is going to be tied up we’ll talk
to you later about his situation as soon as he gets free. This person says, by the
way, have you ever been to the Pentagon? Well, at that time I had never been at the
Pentagon. So they said, well, it is really a unique place. Why don’t we go ahead and
give you the twenty-five cent tour. So we went on over. We went in. I had a little
badge that was given to me, no picture on it. But the guy that was with me, his had
a picture and he’d just tell the guards he is authorized to come with me. And he’d
always be the one to get me in. Finally we got to a place that has an elevator. We
went down on it- I don’t know how far down we went. I can’t tell you if there is one
flight under the Pentagon, two, or fifty. But we went down. When we get out there,
there are two monorails there. I mean, there are monorails under the Pentagon. They
look like big tubes, rather thick in the center, one on each side. So you had these
little monorails with cars that look like a bullet, where you could seat two people
in front and two people in back. We got on the one monorail and started to go, it
seemed like maybe 20 minutes, but I’m guessing at that because I don’t know for
When we got out, he says, well, let me show you some interesting
sites down this corridor here. So we are going down the corridor and it looked like
there was a door at the far end of that corridor. As we got closer and closer to
that door, my guide turned to me and stated, you know, things aren’t always as they
seem to be. He says a lot of people don’t know about these underground locations
underneath the Pentagon. Only a few know that the Pentagon has underground monorails
that connect up to other locations. He says, it is just like the walls here -- they
don’t all seem like walls. And I said, what do you mean they are not walls? I said,
what are you talking about? I thought, you know, he was trying to make a joke. At
that time he says, no, it is like the wall behind you. I look and it looks like a
wall to me. There are no seams or anything I can see. Then he pushes me. I try to
grab myself but there is actually a door that opened.
Well, when you go
through the door there is like a field table there. And behind the field table you
had this little entity. The entity was a little bigger than the 3, 3 1/2 foot tall
entities that are a lot of times reported. But there were two men on either side of
the table slightly behind the creature. When I turned around, I looked right into
the eyes of this little creature. And you know, it’s like you are seeing it but
everything is being pulled from your mind-he was reading my whole life. It is hard
to describe what I really felt there- your life up to that point goes by in seconds.
And I mean you were feeling everything.
I remember going down and grabbing
a hold of my head like this and falling to the floor. The next thing I remember I
wake up and I am back in my friend’s office [back at Fort Meade]. And when I’m back
in Jack’s office they told me nothing happened that I had been there the whole day.
But I knew better.
I will go this far to state that there is an
interaction between entities and certain Government agencies within the U.S.
Government. I will not go so far to state that they are giving us technologies to
kill ourselves. They are not along that line. Their purpose in being here is for
scientific purposes and for humanitarian purposes.
We have been very
foolish in how we have done certain things and we have harmed ourselves. We now
realize that we have harmed ourselves and we are trying to take corrective action.
And that right there is the one thing that the ET’s are checking on. There is the
biosphere that’s been damaged. They are not coming here to repair that. They are
coming here to see how we handle it. But a government can’t be the one that
shoulders all of the responsibility and shoulders all the knowledge and all the
understanding. The whole situation is that we have to work in unison as a people, a
united people. We must go ahead and start preparing ourselves to where we ultimately
will take that giant step to where we are going to be visiting other planets out
there in other solar systems. And we have to, once again, I’ll use the word, grow
spiritually as a group of people, the people representing mankind on planet Earth.
Yes there is some type- and I don’t know to what extent- but there is some type of
dialogue that is taking place between our visitors of all species, because there is
more than one, and the various governments- not just the U.S. Government, but of the
worlds. Primarily, these are the more developed nations of the world because at
present space faring nations represent the greatest threat to them.
Another early experience I had was an accidental viewing of something I
was not supposed to see. We were in a facility and a friend and I went to a balcony
area looking down over the briefing room. They had a Plexiglas window that separated
the balcony and what was going on downstairs- you couldn’t hear what was being said.
But we started to notice that they were running a film. And the film showed various
types of what we would call UFO’s, today. It showed various types of alien creatures
some that looked very much like us some that looked like us with marked differences.
We were not aware of the fact that there were people now up there with us. And they
said, what are you guys doing up here? And we told them, well you know we are just
sitting up here eating our snacks because we didn’t want to go to the snack bar.
They said, you need to come with us and you need to come with us now. So I mean they
pushed us grabbing us by the nape, the shirt, and pushed us down the stairs.
Once they got down the stairs, they pushed us on out the doors and into a
van. The van was right there waiting, a panel van, where they pushed us in and shut
the door. And then they drove us off. We don’t know where they took us to but the
location where we finally got out was a one-frame military style building. They took
us in there, put us into this room. The room had the military cots there. It had one
table with a light. And we were sitting back trying to figure out why are they doing
this? Why is this going on?
On the fifth night, I got out and they drove
me back to my billets. I reported in and went to bed because I was dead tired and
all I wanted to do was get some sleep. The next morning, which was a Saturday
morning, I am awakened by the CQ, that is, Charge of Quarters. And he says, I want
to see you. Well, I was taken to see two men; one guy was acting like a good guy.
The other guy went ahead and said, I told you we shouldn’t trust him. Let’s just
take the so and so out. Let’s just end this. Let’s shoot him. And the nicer guy
says, no, no, we’ll discuss this. And he sent the guy that was supposed to be the
bad guy out- we use that technique sometimes in security- good cop, bad cop. The one
that was supposed to be the bad guy, he went to get some food.
guy says, listen, he says, you like working with this UFO stuff. And I’m saying, no,
I don’t. And he says, well, you know, you have experience with it. You’ve had some
involvement. He says, and those were not phony pictures up there. He says, would you
like to work with it? Would you like to work with us? I said, no I wouldn’t like
that at all. Eventually he goes ahead and says, look, you like working with, you’ll
get to work with it, you’ll get to learn more about it, he says. He says the whole
situation is that by the end of this year we are going to release everything we
know. But here again the world is not a safe place. We have to know more from a
technological viewpoint and a military standpoint than potential enemies of this
country know. So I’m asking you -- work with us. Well, I thought about it. And you
know, I was young. And I thought this is something that I’ve actually been involved
with all my life, that it’d be fun, that I could go ahead learn certain things,
answers to the questions I had, actually get a better understanding of events in my
I do believe that, one, they wanted me in the military; two, they
wanted me involved in this program; three, there wasn’t really concern about, if at
some later date, I started to talk about it. They were only concerned what I might
have to prove: If I had some little slivers of proof, what impact would that have on
my story. But I know they did not want me out of the military. I know they wanted me
to stay in. I know they wanted me to go ahead and go to what they referred to as The
School. But I would never commit myself to go to what they were referring to as The
I was told that if you go to the school it will open up a whole
new world for you, a whole new avenue. But I had to agree to it. And I had to go
ahead and sign specific papers to go to it. And I was not prepared to go to that
school. I had seen people who were involved with the program that had gone to that
school and let me just say I didn’t like their personality. I did not like the idea
that by you going there it made you something special, it made you a prima donna, if
you wish. That was not the way it was supposed to be. I felt that one of the
greatest things you can be is a servant and not vice versa.
So some of
these people, I did not like their disposition. I did not like their attitudes. And
I did not want to become like them. And one of my fears was if I went to the school
it would change me the same way.
Now, there are events, there are
recoveries [of ET craft]. But the recoveries are few and far between. One of the
events that took place in 1969 was a recovery of a craft that was a wedge shape
craft and took place in Indian Town Gap. Now, I know it was cold and I believe it to
have been in the winter but there was no snow. We were on a field training exercise,
the 96th Civil Affairs Group. I was part of the 96th Civil Affairs Company. I was
the NBC Non-....Commissioner Officer in Charge. We were notified that they had an
incident involving a downed craft and we needed to assist in recovery. The persons
that showed up knew exactly where we were going and we went to our staging area.
From there we went to another location in Indian Town Gap. We didn’t have any
problems about civilians or curiosity seekers or anything like this. The situation
is, we did the recovery. I realized that what I was seeing was not of human origin.
When we got there, there was already a team set up. Floodlights were
always set up around the object. I was asked to get closer and closer to the object
to take readings with the APD 27. As I did this, I realized what I was seeing was
not of an Earthly origin. I’m hesitant to go into it too much, because I don’t want
to get emotional about it…
Bentwaters is another very interesting case.
With Bentwaters, we went there to digest some of the information. As far as the
physical evidence, there were photographs. There was film footage. There was
evidence of a higher than normal background radiation. Not all that high, but above
normal. We found that there were some abnormalities in the area we referred to as
the impact point. We also noticed that the trees had been leveled off at the top.
When we got there, it was late December, I want to say December 28th was the day
that we arrived there.
[See the testimony regarding this event from Larry
Warren, Nick Pope, et al. SG]
We gathered up the materials. We took these
materials back to Lindsey Air Force Base, all the hard evidence that we could get,
all the documentation that was there. There were sightings that were picked up on
radar. Both the British Government and the U.S. Government were aware of these
sightings. The hard evidence that we had was taken back to Lindsey Air Force Base.
There it was digested to where there was some type of information that could be put
out to brief Shape Headquarters [NATO]. And I don’t know who in Shape Headquarters
was briefed. But I do know that we did have to do that. The information was then put
with the special courier. I believe it was coming back to an air base close to the
Washington, D.C. area and that the materials transferred on to Fort Belvoir,
Virginia, headquarters at the time of the U.S. Air Forces Special Field Activities
Group, Air Forces Field Activities Center. They then took this material, did
whatever they did with it, and came up with the finalized intelligence product.
The reason it went to Lindsey was because the U.S. Air Forces Field
Activities Center had detachments in the field. The closest detachment in the field
to Bentwaters would have been Lindsey Air Force Base. They were the ones that got
the material. They were the ones that were charged with safeguarding it until it got
back to the U.S. They were asking questions, hard questions, critical questions.
They were asking technical questions of technical people that were involved. I know
for a fact that some of the radar operators, both British and U.S. were questioned.
I know some of the people were out there on two different nights and they were
I was also involved with the Belgian UFO events in June, July
of 1989. We were assessing information, gathering data on the UFO over flights of
Belgium. The UFOs also went all over Germany. We had one incident there on the
border near the Soviet territory. We saw that the Soviets were pretty upset because
this was a huge object. It was triangular shape about three football fields on
either side of the triangle. It flew over what we call No-Man’s Zone. As it flew
over there we all were getting jittery.
It was, I’d say summer, about
August. You could feel your hair standing up on end. It was more than just, you
know, getting shivers because of fright or something like this. There was some type
of physiological effect taking place. Once this incident subsided, we put fighters
on alert. We notified them that we may have a Soviet craft coming across the gap and
we were going to intercept it. The Soviets did the same thing. It went back over the
Soviet airspace and they scrambled fighters to try to intercept it. It wasn’t
traveling fast at all. But on this particular night no one fired at it.
There were pictures taken. There was consultation with the Soviet Union.
With this going on, everyone was taken in and briefed. People were informed that
what they saw was nothing more than a Russian MIG 27 that had strayed across into
the area far enough into the No-Man’s Zone to create a problem and cause some alarm.
But it was no MIG 27. We knew exactly what we were looking at. You have flashcards
which are silhouettes of the various craft of the Soviet Union and even our own.
So we knew precisely what we were looking at. What we saw was a craft that
was of an unusual origin. It was not aerodynamically.... sound. And when I state it
was not aerodynamically.... sound, I mean it had no means of staying aloft like that
without some visible means of aerial support like a helicopter. That wasn’t there.
It was perfectly silent not making any noise roughly three stories high. This was
one of the incidents that got me a little concerned, made me think about wanting to
get out and come back to the family, to have some family life. We had the incident
escalate. We had it escalate to where the Soviet Union filed an official protest
through the Belgium Government to the U.S. Government stating that they were very
concerned about the Belgium authorities along with several other countries letting
us fly stealth aircraft on reconnaissance missions into the Soviet Union. We
notified and discussed it with the Soviet Union. We briefed at least the Soviet
Military Liaison Mission Groups that this had nothing to do with our involvement of
sending stealth aircraft into their territory.
The Soviet Union was
alarmed about what was going on. They even alluded to it being our craft. They were
reassured that it wasn’t. We reassured the Belgium authorities that it wasn’t. The
Belgium authorities had their own UFO sightings. We have seen this on TV. What you
don’t know about those sightings is that there was a tremendous- I don’t want to
call it a cover-up- there was a movement to keep specific information about those
sightings under wraps. There were some efforts to go ahead and alter the film
footage of the radar screens to the point where it showed the UFO going underground,
which it did not. I think it was supposed to have gone 600 feet into the Earth. That
did not happen. It was visible. People saw it. The pilots saw it. The pilot’s
aircraft locked on to it. But these were things that would create more questions
that we were willing to answer. So we decided to keep this out of the press. And we
were successful at it.
[See the government documents related to this event
and the following. SG]
Another case we were involved with was the Iranian
incident of September 19th, 1976. Both fighters were taken apart to try to find out
if there was any way we could explain what really happened to those fighters which
were having malfunctions at the same time. There was a situation where we had some
anomalies picked up out where the sighting was- where one of the Air Force pilots
saw the UFO go down to the ground. We recorded those anomalies with audio devices.
We took film footage of the area and there were some strange things that showed up
on that film footage. Everything that took place there at the landing area, I am not
privy to. I don’t have all the information. It wasn’t something I had to be involved
in. But I can tell you this much, whatever took place there had people out there for
two to three weeks.
In 1986, I believe it was, we fired at a UFO on two
occasions. The UFO took off like nothing happened. In ‘86 you had the incident where
you had 20 or more UFO’s flying around Brazilian aircraft, flying rings around them.
These documents are important.
Not more than two-dozen UFOs had been
retrieved by 1969 when I was briefed first. We were informed that there had only
been a couple dozen tops- that there were several in the ‘40’s and the early 50’s.
And to make it perfectly clear about those events that took place then, it sounds
crazy but our radar wreaked havoc on the ET guidance systems and they had to make
adjustments to their guidance systems for that.
How many bodies had been
recovered? Don’t know. How many crashes have occurred in which we only got debris
because the ET’s came and did their recovery before we got there? Don’t know but it
has happened. It has happened. When they had problems, just like we send out a
distress call, they send out a distress call, which is something that a lot of
people don’t think about; it’s a question that’s never asked. But here again we
think of them as something intangible like that stuffed animal there. But they are
living, breathing creatures as mortal as you and me. They think, they have loves,
they have likes, they have dislikes, they have social culture.
This is so
important to try to make people understand that that is the case. I want to put the
human factor back into UFO’s. And when I say the human factor, I mean that these are
real people. You can call them entities. You can call them creatures. But you
sometimes find yourself wondering: who are the more real people, them or us? And
these are things that really need to be brought out- the fact that they are just
like you and me. We need to seek out the similarities, not the differences and come
to a greater understanding. Because eventually, in the not too distant future, we
are going to have that final contact that is going to open new doors…
lot of people sit back and say, well, they don’t have bases here. Ah, yeah, they do.
We were involved in a major engagement in 1970 in one of their bases in
Vietnam approximately seven miles from the Cambodian border. If you want to know
more about that, I did an audiotape on that. And I’ll make you a copy of the
audiotape. I will apologize for actually trying to hold back from some of the
stories simply because if I start talking about some of the stories you start
reliving them. And you don’t understand, I mean, you really don’t understand…